Please tell me about Khaos.

[Alysyrose]

Like this. WTF? Why is this sort of pissing competition a valid form of communication here? This is nothing short of poo-flinging with no sense of reason or explanation beyond "Me BIG monkey, you SMALL monkey."

Well I agree. Sheo doesn't mean it though, but the Admins must, at the end of the day, be the final boss over a forum that they own, control, and make payments on. This forum really is his property. He bought it, and he continues to pay for it out of his own pocket. He has the final word, but he's never deleted posts that haven't either been some form of blatant spam, porn bot, troll pollution, or anything in the middle. Making a post in regards to an honest question, personal ideas and/or philosophies, topical discussion, and so forth, have never herein been slammed just for the fruitless satisfaction of an alpha-male complex.

However, posts that do not fit into a particular board will be moved to the appropriately corresponding board. Spam which does not belong in a certain board will either be deleted, or moved to the "trash" board (see usual definition of spam: recurring, mutually unwanted or inapplicable litter containing no relevance as to it's board location, which may or may not be composed of mostly images.) Here's a good example of a pointless spam post that I made. I hope you enjoy it! http://deathbylollipop.com/forum/index.php?topic=171.0

Though, I posted it in Trash, because, well, it really has nothing to do with any of the other boards. There's a pattern here. Likewise, although trolling is a little harder to accurately categorize, I do not believe that you have trolled once in this topic. But as for attempting to stay on topic, myself;

The "K" in Khaos is not a creation of ours. It is the original Greek spelling, evident in all the references that have been pasted before. That's about it. The spelling isn't whats important, but it does help in separating the two distinct meanings of "chaos", and "khaos", from each other. Again, hoping this helped.

And no, despite what some might say who've only been around here a few days, you will not be banned for asking honest questions out of personal curiosity. Have a nice day (try to get outside ffs! it's finally nice out! FUCK YOU, SNOW!)

[ZazzyE]

What is "legitimate" speech?
Who determines this?

I do. Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

So Sayeth the Admin, God of this corner of internetz.  Also, the lowly human responsible for policing this corner of the internetz.  C'est la vie!  Take the perspective, learn from it, accept that it exists, and either incorporate or reject it for yourself.

There is a difference between "chaos" in the colloquial sense - disorder, and the "chaos" of which we speak.  One is disarray, the other is potential.

Khaos is the root of all potential - from it, the greeks believed that even the Gods were born.  It is the ultimate of potential in a world composed of nothing but probabilities.  Khaos is the ultimate chaos, bringing infinite potential into existence from nothing.  This is the formless, gaping void.  In it there is nothing - through it, all things have come, may come, and eventually, will.  And for nine easy payments of $6.66, you can tap into it today!

The thing is, chaos in the colloquial sense creates potential.  How?  The theorized elemental makeup of the pre-life earth were not well ordered in such a way to create life.  However, there was lightning, which reforged those elements into proteins, lipids, nucleic acids, etc.  Detministic forces acting on such a vast, intricate scale set the stage.

And next, people ask, "what are the odds of those just spontaneously forming into complete cells, from random interchanges of deterministic forces?"  Idiots.  Statisticians and folks who study probability ask next "what are the odds of that *NOT* happening?"

Thousands of lightning bolts a year, each creating enough raw material for quadrillions of cells at each site over even a year.... makes the potential for that one cell to get things started.  That one cell probably didn't get started in that "first year", but it is possible.  The odds of that never happening, as you increase your time interval towards infinity, approach zero.

One might call this initial breaking down of raw elements entropy.  Or the opposite - elements moving to a higher energy state in more complex molecules.  The fact is, we are not a closed system.  The sun burns brightly to fuel our planet's systems.  So too does Khaos build anew.  Colloquial chaos, the chaos of potential, and Khaos are all linked.

[Alysyrose]

Awaiting tubgirl, if you still want to. 

[Dav0r]

Awaiting tubgirl, if you still want to. 

Personally, I like the Pain Series

[Alysyrose]

Doktor_Howl
HAR!

You idiot.  You think it's going to happen when you're online?

Also, thanks for the spare account (and you know who you are).  Mayhem to follow later.

Ooooor, since your the acting commanding officer of this alleged spam attack, I do believe that's just cause to simply ban the accounts involved. Plus your spare one. No?

[Alysyrose]

Doktor_Howl
2.  You trolled us first, I have no reservations about returning the favor.

3.  Good luck with that.  Unless you're willing to ban all new accounts and shut down registration.

2. Sorry, that was Badikal, on his own accord.
The forum can't be held responsible for the actions of one person.

3. Have it your way. But not until it happens. I've grown to like quite a few of these people.
Only the accounts who participate in the flood will be nixed.

[Alysyrose]

Doktor_Howl
If that's the case, then why are you all using his account?

And why was I banned just for disagreeing with one of the mods?

1. A friend of his is using his account as some form of communication between boards. Everblaze has disappeared entirely to my knowledge and probably wants no part of this.  

2. From what I saw, you were kicked for actively picking a fight with & taunting the IRC Op known as "Adishiva". And he's probably the one who banned you from the forums. This isn't quite a unique phenomenon across the expanse of IRC channels. Taking it up with him personally would have probably ended the ban, if it hasn't been taken off already. But maybe not, I'm not him, and no one here could stand alone for the personal attitudes of each & every mod or user. Then again, with your desire to bumfuck this place up with tubgirls and scatporn, as you've stated, I'm sure he's not very keen on letting you back in. Lumping the rest of the forum in with the qualms of a single Op seems a bit much though.

I'm off, but I'll be around.

[Alysyrose]

2.  He de-voiced me because he disagreed with something I said.  Then he banned me at the forum, but not at the chatroom.  This doesn't lead me to believe that Badikal was acting on his own.  Would you believe that he was, in the same situation?  Also, being banned by the single OP for simply disagreeing with his opinion - and having that ban stand - kinda makes me WANT to lump you all in together.  Why wouldn't it?  If one of the mods banned you here, and then another mod talked a bunch of shit, and the situation was never addressed, how would YOU react?  Honestly?

2. Honestly? Same way I'd react if I had a personal problem with anybody. I'd either try and make that person see things my way, or fuck'em if they can't take a joke, and move along. If you & Adi have a problem, then talk to Adi. Although no matter Op or Mod or Admin, picking a fight for the hell of it isn't going to end well. At least be Irish about it and buy each other drinks when the black eyes start blooming. Fuck the noise for the moment, I'm gonna try to enjoy the rest of the day ;P

[Nigel]

What do you mean by:
House of Khaos?
Khaos?

Why not chaos?

What this term mean in the context of your collective goals?
What are your collective goals?

Why do you limit posts and how does this limitation of speech comply with your identity as the House of Khaos? (Heh, this forum is the property of the Domus Kaotika/ Marauder underground... as such all posts including this one i am editing are subject to the will of the collective, We get lots of trolls here out to annoy/destroy us. This is not just an occult group these people are all friends/family/komrades from every path and this forum is our primary way of communicating with one another, so yes we protect it from those seeking to ruin our home.... no legitimate speech need fear censorship here, only the blathering of the idiotic and the troll. If you come here in peace you will find your voice heard. BTW ,Welcome to DBL enjoy your stay komrad.)

-edited(to make a point) by Xphyt(0/1)


What is "legitimate" speech?
Who determines this?


Also, peace? I'm all for trading ideas with people in a reasonable manner. But what does coming in peace have to do with disorder, chaos, uncertainty.

Seems to me that you're going to get more out of that whole House of Khaos deal if you open the floodgates and let the strongest ideas win.

-Edited because it's still my post.

What's up with the heavyhanded modding? I haven't been here for two days and the first post I click on has been modded? Why?

My feeling on modding, as a mod elsewhere, is that if you are that threatened by other people's words, your beliefs, values, and core are weak.

[Alysyrose]

What's up with the heavyhanded modding? I haven't been here for two days and the first post I click on has been modded? Why?

My feeling on modding, as a mod elsewhere, is that if you are that threatened by other people's words, your beliefs, values, and core are weak.

I believe it might have been in response to the logs on PD regarding this newfound island of bullshitia. With Howl fervent for the electronic blood of this tiny corner in cyberspace by means of scatporn bombs, tubgirl missiles and the like, it's no surprise. But it's not how the mods here usually do business. The review-flood on lulu publishing, was also kind of aggravating (dosn't it help if you read the book first, guys? One of the main inspirational constituents of that text was in fact old-school Discordianism), but I don't mind any of that, really. I came into this confusion somewhat late. I hope this is all gotten past soon. One misunderstanding seems to breed amongst the many like socks with holes in them.

[XF8]

Sheo is the man paying our rent, this is his domain name so he certainly can decide whatever he wants, and to clarify we usually don't delete anything we send it into a trash category (always a good read). Truth is if you want to understand the group dynamic here there is only one way... Lurk moar.

Hoping we can all still be friends,
xphyt

[Alty]

Thanks again for answering my questions. I have more, and still don't get one or two things. I'm going to reply to those replies as I'm able, there's a lot of info and I need to absorb.
But I can take a peek around here and see if I can't answer some of them on my own.

Where are Dok's posts? You say things don't get deleted but I couldn't find any of his stuff in the trash.
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.

This whole ownership/domain name thing. I get it. He pays the bills. But...why should that have anything to do with the legitimacy of speech here? Why would anybody want to impose that kind of order? Especially at the House of Khaos? To what end? That kind of social dynamic isn't too far off from tree-house rules. "God dammit, EAT IT BILLY, or you can't play here."

The term legitimate speech just acts like steel shards in my intestines.


If all this was just a reaction to our arrival, understandable, I don't really have any problems. But then, I also see no reason not to unban the Dok.

[Sheosyrath]

If all this was just a reaction to our arrival, understandable, I don't really have any problems. But then, I also see no reason not to unban the Dok.

It's really not so much what was said, but how it was said.. Dok's posts were irrelevant to the subject matter of our board. If you walk in, sit down, and start talking shit... well, expect to be shown the way out. Yes, I deleted his posts. One of the posts I remember was in someone's thread, he simply quoted a very serious response from someone and replied: "are you fucking kidding me?" I'm sorry, but when I banned him he had 4 posts. All of them were trolling. I see no reason to UNBAN him.

Also, my attitude is most definitely a response to the attitude of your crew. A group of trolls invade my board, my hand immediately becomes heavy. You can try to say you weren't trolling, it matters not. I can smell trolls from miles away. I spent most of my OF.com days trolling trolls. I am the most lax admin in the world. My duties consist of smoking pot. I am going to be nice now because your tone has changed, but yea.. basically you can say w/e you want here. As long as you're not a douche bag. Only douche bag allowed is me.

[Alty]

If all this was just a reaction to our arrival, understandable, I don't really have any problems. But then, I also see no reason not to unban the Dok.

It's really not so much what was said, but how it was said.. Dok's posts were irrelevant to the subject matter of our board. If you walk in, sit down, and start talking shit... well, expect to be shown the way out. Yes, I deleted his posts. One of the posts I remember was in someone's thread, he simply quoted a very serious response from someone and replied: "are you fucking kidding me?" I'm sorry, but when I banned him he had 4 posts. All of them were trolling. I see no reason to UNBAN him.

Also, my attitude is most definitely a response to the attitude of your crew. A group of trolls invade my board, my hand immediately becomes heavy. You can try to say you weren't trolling, it matters not. I can smell trolls from miles away. I spent most of my OF.com days trolling trolls. I am the most lax admin in the world. My duties consist of smoking pot. I am going to be nice now because your tone has changed, but yea.. basically you can say w/e you want here. As long as you're not a douche bag. Only douche bag allowed is me.

Like I said, understandable. However, what's funny, for me, is we're like that all the time to each other. Sure, there's friendliness and whatnot, but, man, if we had come in here giving you as hard a time as we give ourselves...
Well, that's just what it was actually.

I don't see how you can justify banning someone like that for only 4 posts (outside of ownership), but then, I can't see them to judge for myself, can I? All I can assume is that the Dok was being Dok and you didn't enjoy that.

The subject matter of your board is not chaos? Primordial, limitless chaos composed of everything including angry, angry (mad?) scientists?

[areUmahDADA]